I did the "search" thing and found some info but nothing really answering my question...directly at least. Maybe there is no direct answer.
For real world application, which is better to study, Bjj or wrestling? Ok for example...if you have a guy who is a wrestler vs. a bjj guy in a fight (just bumping heads at a bar etc.) who would win if they are both at the same level in their sport, same weight etc.?
This question has irked me for awhile because I thought the Bjj guy would win, but I have heard a lot of sh** about how wrestlers can dominate and control even a skilled Bjj person and keep them on their back i.e. in mma so in the street this would give the wrestler the advantage. On the other hand, Bjj to me is and has always been the cream of the crop for groundfighting...and they would find a way to win. But, the part about them losing positional dominance has me questioning which art to pursue if I am looking at just pure fighting. If the wrestler can dominate the advantageous position, even if he can't submit you he can pound the living **** out of you in a real fight.
So I guess, was just wondering:
1. If a wrestler and bjj practitioner are evenly matched..experience in their field, same weight--Not so much concerned who would win in the sport arena (although know this is important for training) but who would dominate in a street fight? Would the Bjj guy be forced on his back in this situation by the wrestler??? Or could the Bjj guy mount the wrestler and realistically stay there long enough to pound the crap out of him? I know I wouldn't want to be on my back in the street for more than a few seconds if I had too..and that is the heart of my question. If Bjj is so great and can defeat a good wrestler...how the hell can he do this in a real fight if he can't control the dominant positions (mount, side-control, back)?
2. Where is the line drawn with wrestling? I know people who wrestled in middle school and high school and can't fight worth a ****. So, when people speak of "wrestling" are they speaking mainly of college wrestling?
I am just a little confused as to what direction I should take my training in...
For real world application, which is better to study, Bjj or wrestling? Ok for example...if you have a guy who is a wrestler vs. a bjj guy in a fight (just bumping heads at a bar etc.) who would win if they are both at the same level in their sport, same weight etc.?
This question has irked me for awhile because I thought the Bjj guy would win, but I have heard a lot of sh** about how wrestlers can dominate and control even a skilled Bjj person and keep them on their back i.e. in mma so in the street this would give the wrestler the advantage. On the other hand, Bjj to me is and has always been the cream of the crop for groundfighting...and they would find a way to win. But, the part about them losing positional dominance has me questioning which art to pursue if I am looking at just pure fighting. If the wrestler can dominate the advantageous position, even if he can't submit you he can pound the living **** out of you in a real fight.
So I guess, was just wondering:
1. If a wrestler and bjj practitioner are evenly matched..experience in their field, same weight--Not so much concerned who would win in the sport arena (although know this is important for training) but who would dominate in a street fight? Would the Bjj guy be forced on his back in this situation by the wrestler??? Or could the Bjj guy mount the wrestler and realistically stay there long enough to pound the crap out of him? I know I wouldn't want to be on my back in the street for more than a few seconds if I had too..and that is the heart of my question. If Bjj is so great and can defeat a good wrestler...how the hell can he do this in a real fight if he can't control the dominant positions (mount, side-control, back)?
2. Where is the line drawn with wrestling? I know people who wrestled in middle school and high school and can't fight worth a ****. So, when people speak of "wrestling" are they speaking mainly of college wrestling?
I am just a little confused as to what direction I should take my training in...